Bullet diameter for 4570 paper patched cartridge shiloh. Paper is the jacket, and with a properly paper patched bullet you will not get leading in the barrel, or copper for that matter. The new cartridge was a replacement for the stopgap. Given this issue, the use of a paperpatched bullet can prove beneficial. Does anybody know anything about paper patched bullets for 4570. But, he had developed rather punishing pure lead paper patched hunting loads that printed groups of less than one bullet diameter at over 100 yards. Im looking for an accurate load not just something thats safe too shoot. Armys springfield armory for use in the springfield model 1873, which is known to collectors as the trapdoor springfield. I think the best results are with slow pistol powders or fast rifle powders. If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. The idea in pping is to have the patch leave the bullet on exit from the muzzle, or, stay on the bullet all the way to the target. Length will have to be about circumference of the bullet.
Missouri bullets has 300gr and 405gr cast bullets that shoot very well in both my 45 70 rifles. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. Hand loading bullets 45 70 405 grain rnfp reload 45 70. Weve had many discussions here on tff about loading for the. A beginners guide to loading and shooting paper patched bullets for early black powder cartridge rifles. Back to the original question, 2 maine whitetails have fallen to my 1895gs with the speer 400gr fn over 45. Here are the benefits of shooting paperpatched bullets in your inline. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder. I offer many variations in cast bullets for this cartridge as this caliber was made for cast bullets and are the. I too am loading smokeless in my pedersoli sharps 4570. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs. The cartridge is going to be around for another 150 years. Good sights installed and sighted on 8 12 x 11 notebook paper at 50 yards, i began working up loads. First, the patch shape will have to be a parallelogram with angles of about 45 degrees.
My first attempt at paper patching 4570 cast lead bullets and i met with a slight issue. The best range load for this powder, bullet and rifle seems to be around the 45 gr of imr 3031 mark. Sharps paper patched, longrange and hunting bullets were designed to be about. And then it was stolen along with almost everything else. No sense in putting a paper jacket on an already jacketed bullet.
At 1800 fps it passed through both shoulders of that big buff at a range of 110 yards and ended up an inch under the skin on the far side. Measure the thickness of paper patch that you plan to use. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load. Sold in 100 count box these hard cast bullet is cast with 9262 certified alloy bhn 16, t add to wish list. Paper patching grooved bullets paul matthews hdldr 1990 bullet making annual paper patch blts. My brother worked the kinks out of paper paper for his 4570, a scoped 1885 high wall. With paper patch bullets, not only must the bullet be under bore diameter not groove. Again, this is 80 gr lighter bullet than the ones we were testing.
But for breechloaders, the best fit is normally such that the bullet itself is an easy fit on top of the rifling. With lube on the bullet, and then the patch, i can easily see that either way would be kind of iffy. Bullet size and paper size to add up to the right diameter. Killing effects of paper patched bullets in 4570 and 45. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data. My plans were to see what bullet, load, and loading procedure worked best at 50 yards and then move to 100 yards. And it was easy to walk 50 yards to change targets. Missouri bullets has 300gr and 405gr cast bullets that shoot very well in both my 4570 rifles.
In the final chapter, he gives a quick summary of what works best for him with what he calls a practical paper. Hornady round nosed bullet, giving 2,400 feet per second muzzle velocity. New paper patch approach by ed wosika linkedin slideshare. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. He told me that in his younger days they would take 255 grain lead flat point bullets for the 45 colt pistol and paper patch them to use in the 4570 because one of the guys had a bullet mold for them and between them the only other mold they had available was for a 500 grain. And i use a tapered bullet that i find not as accurate as the straight wall bullet that measures patched. Although effect of bullet diameter was the primary focus, the tests were expanded to include variations of patch type, bullet hardness and choice of powder. Or, print your order after entering your address, attach your check or money order, and send it by mail. Wright with a plaintalk writing style, this book demystifies schuetzen.
Oct 18, 2016 cherry ridge 200 yard range, pedersoli rolling block, ppb cartridges w487 grain 45 505xr accurate mold 1. These bullets are perfect for reloading, 250 count, sized to. Powders include imr, vihtavuori, accurate, alliant, hodgdon. The lead must be soft to allow the skirt to expand and seal the bore. Paper patched bullets are still available, and some blackpowder shooters still roll their own paper patched bullets for hunting and competitive shooting. This is a popular bullet used in lever action rifles for north american big game animals and shooting through thick brush. There are plenty of good bullets available and ones which arent so hard too. Paul matthews hdldr 1990 bullet making annual pure lead bullets at 1945 fps. Being an old paper patcher, in the traditional way, i wonder about lubing the bullet and then patching it. I have found very little smokeless loading data for the 4570 in this bullet weight and pressures of 29000 or less. The bullet was cast from plain wheel weights, air cooled, and weighed 406408 grains from your 457405f mould and lubed with spg. Using a two stage sizing process to create cheap bullets to keep you shooting. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles.
Soft cover, spiral bound 812 x 512 format of 102 pages. Sold in 100 count box acme bullet company manufactures 4570 405 grain fp flat point hard add to wish list. My experience with the microgroove rifling and lead bullets has never been good other than in my mdl. Black powder 4570 handirifle the frugal outdoorsman.
This is for black powder reloads and the naked bullet diameter is contingent on the thickness of the paper being used. Nov 19, 2014 thus, for a 45 70 we could use a 350grain singlediameter revolver bullet with a 0. Alloy 95% lead, 5% tin, chosen by weight having one grs. Cant give you much info on a 3855 but have been very successfull with 45 70.
Everything seemed to work great except i think i have the patch riding too high up on the bullet nose on the lee 457340 395 gr 2 cavity mold. I wrap the paper twice around the bullet, providing. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. With paperpatch bullets, not only must the bullet be under bore diameter not groove. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. I can hold minute of ram at 500 meters and have taken buffalo with paper patched bullets. Antimony will make the lead hard, and the skirt or base of the hollow base bullet can crack or deform on firing. Enter your name, address, and billing information for prompt shipment. Im a bit late to the thread, but fwiw my shiloh 4570 has a poi at 400 yards that is 14 inches higher with paper patched bullets than with greasers using the same sight setting. Even though i now had loads for 45 70 using these 405 gr cast bullets, i wondered what hornady 325 gr leverevolution ammunition would chronograph. May 17, 2016 i wrap the paper twice around the bullet, providing. His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. The bullets weigh the same, have the same nose shape, and both bullets have muzzle velocities in the mid 1240s. This is my go to boolit in my browning 1885 4570 in black powder but now im experimenting with paper patching and using unique as a powder charge.
I feed paper patch bullets through tubular magazines in leveraction rifles. My brother worked the kinks out of paper paper for his 45 70, a scoped 1885 high wall. Paul harding experiments with some reduced recoil loads, and finds that. Thus, for a 4570 we could use a 350grain singlediameter revolver bullet with a 0.
Reloading the 4570 for pedersoli rolling block rifle. In the final chapter, he gives a quick summary of what works. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks. This is for black powder reloads and the naked bullet diameter is contingent on the thickness of.
Sharps paperpatched, longrange and hunting bullets were designed to be about. Perhaps they didnt have the labour to handmake each bullet or. With modern bullets, lead or jacketed, the bullet starts out at barrel groove diameter or slightly larger. When one is dealing with 600 or 800 yard accuracy, one does not want anything sticking the bullet to set it out of ballance. This load shoots a one hole clover leaf at 50 yards and left a blood trail on both deer that a blind man could follow. Oct 14, 2016 paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets.
Bullets made with a custom steve brooks mould producing a 500 grains bullet. Cherry ridge 200 yard range, pedersoli rolling block, ppb cartridges w487 grain 45505xr accurate mold 1. The factory load on this bullet is 1785 fps in my guide gun 18in they must use a 24in barrel to show 2200 fps on the box. With the action being very strong one could load the 4570 to near. Nov 01, 2006 with modern bullets, lead or jacketed, the bullet starts out at barrel groove diameter or slightly larger. My best 405 gr cast bullet load for my marlin 4570 has been 25 gr 5744. Paul matthews hdldr 1990 bullet making annual paper patching the. Paper patches can be used to make slightly undersized bullets fit a gun with. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. Cant give you much info on a 3855 but have been very successfull with 4570.